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Disclosed Adoption
This term is generally used to refer to any adoption where one or both of the birth parents have been involved in the process of selecting the adoptive parents, where identifying and/or contact information has been exchanged, where there has been some level of personal contact between the birth parents and the adoptive parents, and where some level of future contact is anticipated or has been agreed to. See:
Question: have an extract from adoption register. How can I get more info? My 'aunt' was adopted and I wonder how I can find out her birth mother's name. I've heard that in these circumstances, the original birth details cannot be disclosed for many years, unless requested by a son or daughter. can anyone advise?
Answer: http://www.howtoinvestigate.com/adoption…
Question: Adoption: criminal record? My husband had a criminal record (non-violent) and he applied for and received a full pardon.
Do we have to disclose to the adoption agency or homestudy worker that he had a crimal record since it will not show up in police station or rcmp database anymore?
Answer: You should always be completely truthful on your application and during the homestudy process - always.
They will do a criminal background check and that will come up clear, but if they also specifically ask you - then you will have to tell them. They aren't looking for perfection (if they were, none of us would pass a homestudy) - the fact that he received a full pardon and his record is now clear should not be a problem for you. What could be a problem is not being completely honest on a homestudy.
Good luck to you!
Question: I need help with a huge adoption problem.... We adopted a 10 year old boy and we have major problems need help MY HUSBAND AND I ADOPTED A 10 YEAR OLD BOY 2 YEARS AGO THE COUNTY AND THE AGENCY FAILED TO DISCLOSE MAJOR ISSUES AND SUGAR COATED ANY OF HIS PROBLEMS THAT HE HAD BY TELLING US HE JUST NEEDED A STABLE LOVING FAMILY WE FELL FOR IT AND 1 YEAR AFTER WE ADOPTED HIM HE SEXUALLY ASSUALTED OUR 12 YEAR OLD NEPHEW, OUR 2 MONTH OLD GRANDSON AND ANOTHER BOY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD! WE CALLED CYS AND HAD HIM PUT IN A FACILITY FOR HELP...SINCE THEN HE HAS ADMITTED TO SEXUALLY ASSUALTING 11 OTHERS AND EVEN SEXUALLY ASSUALTING THE DOGS IN THE LAST FOSTER HOME AND THE ANIMALS HAD TO BE PUT TO SLEEP ( THIS WAS NOT TOLD US BEFORE WE ADOPTED HIM) BUT THE FAMILY TESTIFIED AT A HEARING WE HAD WHERE WE TRIED TO HAVE THE ADOPTION OVERTURNED! WE JUST HEARD TODAY THE JUDGE RULING REFUSING TO OVERTURN THE ADOPTION ... HE HAS NO LAW THAT SAYS HE CAN...CYS IS SUING US FOR COSTS OF HIS TREATMENT AND W/LAWYER BILLS ETC...I THINK MY HUSBAND (WHOM IS DISABLED) AND I WILL LOSE OUR HOME++ OR LAWYER SAYS ITS USLESS! HELP!
Answer: OMG!! I can't believe what I just read. I had no idea you adopted. How kind of you! Anyways I totally understand how you feel. You and your husband did a good thing and tried to help him out, but it's not working. I dont understand why you can't turn him over. I was watching a program where a family had three children and the youngest one had autisim. They were a very loving family but all the child did all day was scream her loudest. She was always stabbing people with everything and looking for knives. Well they turned her over without a problem to the state. Do you have an attorney? I am os sorry about all of this! I will pray for you and your family!
Question: I have a cat that has behavioral issues -urinates on rugs and couches what should I do? he has a problem with urinating on rugs and has ruined about 6 couches . I want to possibly put up for adoption but I am afraid my pug will be crushed! Can I request that his problems are disclosed to adoptees? this is not illness it is strictly behavioral
he is neutured and has been since he was like 5 months old
Answer: Getting him desexed might be a good start if he isn't already. Also it may be the brand of little.. sometimes they are particular. I am pretty sure they do (Animal Welfare) disclose problems they have but I don't think anyone is going to want a cat that pees on evenything. Try cleaning areas down with an oxy action detergent as they don't like the smell or try soaking cloudly ammonia on a rag and leaving it where he likes to wee.... good luck
Question: How do I locate my birth mother in Mumbai? I was born in Mumbai in 1994 and was adopted within 6 months of my birth by a family who lives in Canada. The adoption was through a reputable agency, who refuses to disclose this information. How do I locate the woman who gave birth to me?
The only information I have is the place and date of birth. I also know that I have a biological sister. I am happy with my adoptive parents. I love them dearly. I just want to be able to meet my mom so that I can know where I came from. Can anyone help? Thanks.
Answer: Contact me through my profile - I can help put you in contact with someone who has helped adoptees from India start searching.
Don't listen to other posters who feed you that line of bull about your real parents, blah blah blah. You do what you need to do to heal your heart. People who are not adopted just don't understand - they never will.
Question: So is there no way I can find out who my dads birth parents are? I'm at a dead end. My dad died in January and my nan (his adoptive mum) burned his birth and adoption certificate to prevent us ever tracing his birth family.
The adoption services all say they can't disclose his records to anyone except him, which is clearly impossible. I tried to order his birth certificate as I know his parents sirname and his mothers maiden sirname but they won't allow me to see it unless I know their first names! So thats it. Is there nothing else I can do?
Answer: yes... you can sign in to friends reunited... and on there, is a 'places' bit... you can plumb in the street your parents lived on, and become a fan of the street.. this way you will get access to other people on the street.. you can then message these people and enquire of your parents past... i'm sure if you go about it the right way.. you will recieve the info you need..
good luck..
Question: Can owners be held legally responsible for abandoning a pet? So the dog I fund is chipped. The vet called the shelter where they admitted that the whole adoption was "shady". They let the dog go with this person who managed not to pay any fees for him. Then this person dumped him in the Las Vegas Desert. When the vet called him he never called back. Can this person be sued? What does the law say about leaving an animal to die? Should the vet (who did not disclose the owners name to me) report this person to the police? I don't want this idiot to get the dog back, but I want this person to pay for what he has done!
Answer: Absolutely, call animal control and give them the story.
Question: How do I protect my privacy from a lawyer who wants to disclose private info to my estranged husband? I am a birthmother trying to get my sons adoption finalized, I need a lawyer who SPECIALIZES in adoption and can help me stop the lawyer of adoptive family telling my estranged husband information concerning the adoption.
Answer: The other answer is right if your estranged husband is the childs father all attemps to contact him must and will be used.
Its the law to contact the birth father. The attorney who represents the adoptive couple would not be doing his duty or his clients any favors not trying to make sure everything was done in accordance with the laws. A judge will not sign adoption papers until he knows the father is not wanting custody. You cant just give his rights away, only a judge can do that.
They will even run an ad in the paper where he lives for up to 6 weeks asking him to come forward if he intends to protest the adoption.
If after the ad has ran and he hasn't come forward the adoption can proceed without his permission.
Question: Were you and your spouse always on the same page about adoption? My husband and I have been married for a while and hoping for a baby, but that doesn't seem to be happening. I've always been open to the idea of adoption, but he doesn't seem to be. His family has had a very bittersweet and difficult adoption experience in which his aunt adopted a supposedly healthy baby, who turned out to be profoundly mentally disabled (which the hospital and social workers did not disclose to her.) So I understand why he would be a bit leary about adopting. Do you think it's wrong to try to bring him around to accepting the idea, or is it worth it to bring it up occasionally and see if he might consider it after all?
Answer: Yeah, I can see how he'd be a bit leery about adoption when his aunt got a defective one. Those things ought to come with warranties.
Seriously. Do you understand how self-centered that statement is? Adoption is about finding homes for kids who need them, not finding kids for adults who want them. If your husband isn't interested in adoption, please don't ruin some poor kid's life by forcing them to live with a man who doesn't want them. It's hard enough to be an adoptee without that added stress.
Question: Perhaps an odd question regarding adoption...? I have an older sister who is in her 30's with a husband and 3 children (ages 14, 11, and 9). My sister is adopted (in my parents' country, there was a civil war and my mom basically just "found" her when during her toddler years amidst the chaos and raised her) and it's not a big deal to any of us at all. It never seemed important to any of us that she was adopted, so when she had children, she never disclosed to them that she was adopted and that we all aren't "blood."
Now that I have a family of my own, I'm concerned about how this will affect my nieces and nephew. Were we wrong for never telling them? Should we even tell them now? Won't they be angry and upset? I'm sure they'll react in much the same way any child would after finding out they're adopted...but in this case, their mom is the adoptee.
I wish I could say I could just leave it to my sister, but as far as I can tell, she has no intention of telling the children. What would you do in this situation? Thanks so much.
I apologize if I offended anyone, but I love my sister and her kids to death. I wanted to know if they should be told because it seems wrong to have a secret, and the reference about "blood" related was in regards to any medical questions they might have. Obviously, we don't have the same blood type or medical history and that, I think, is important in and of itself. I am asking for the well being of these children whom I love, and also, it now makes me have to keep this secret from my own child as well. So please don't misunderstand me.
And I'm really sorry Robin, that you couldn't have been a little more civil about it. She is my sister no matter what. You have accused me of very hurtful things and I hope you realize that.
Answer: I think you should let your sister decide what she tells her children. Why is it important to you that "we all aren't blood"? How on earth does a family of your own affect your nieces & nephew? What does that have to do with sharing this information? Not being an adoptee, you probably don't know how YOU'D feel to find out you were adopted. Much less how (your adopted sister's) children will react. Seriously, I don't get it...
That said, I never felt the need to hide my adoption from anyone, nor do I feel compelled to tell everyone. What does it matter? My brother and sister just consider me their sister, thank God. They don't care that I'm "not blood". It matters not. I'm THEIRS. I have no idea if they've told my nieces and nephews. And they've never asked me if I've discussed it with my kids.
Sorry to say, but I think you have ulterior motives. Think long and hard about your justifications (not reasons!) for telling information that isn't YOURS to share!
ETA: I am thrilled you added "she's my sister no matter what". If I misunderstood your statements, that is my error. And the reason I asked some of the questions I did...because I don't quite understand how telling her kids about her adoption affects your family.
I believe you have every right to discuss your concerns privately with your sister. I agree that family secrets have a way of 'leaking' out. It's better to hear this information from their mom. I stand by my statement that telling her children is not your decision, but hers.
Because of the circumstances, your sister has no way to access her medical information. Therefore, there is no medical information for her to share with her children, sadly. A blood test will determine their blood type. Even biologically related families can have different blood types. Your sister surely can discuss her children's medical history (or lack of) with their doctor.
As for keeping secrets from your own child, while I do appreciate your concern, I wonder, will you tell your child every foolish thing you did in your youth? Or if you discover a family member is using drugs? If not, does that equate to "keeping secrets" from your child? In any case, it is not YOUR secret to tell.
Without talking to your sister, there is no way of knowing her reasons. I haven't accused you of anything. I asked that you be clear about your own motivation for wanting to tell something that is clearly your sister's story to tell or not tell.
I'm sorry that you feel I've been uncivil in sharing my own story. I hope I am wrong about potential 'ulterior motives'. When you write that you wish you "could just leave it to my sister, but as far as I can tell, she has no intention of telling the children" that sounds to me as if you are planning to tell without her consent.
As I said, I just don't understand why you believe it's your responsibility to intervene and that you assume her children will be 'angry & upset'; you're "sure" (how) they will react...???
Sorry....
Question: Are people that are against the sealing of adoption records also anti-abortion? I am just wondering when the rights of the child start. I am not for sealing of pertinent information, medical records, potential genetic issues, etc. I am for the preservation of the birthmother's privacy. A child doesn't need to know a birthmother's name to tell the doctor about a medical issue. Where he/she was born may have some bearing on the issue, so that information should be disclosed. Heritage can also be used as a basis of determining risk factors, so again, let them know.
However, none of these questions come into play if the birth nmother chooses to abort the child. Who is protecting the child's rights BEFORE birth?
Please answer the question rather than going on a rant.
Again, please answer the question.
The first person to actually answer THE QUESTION ASKED will get the best answer rating.
Answer: Hi LC,
There may be some people who are pro-choice & there may be some people who are pro-life. They cannnot all be lumped together because adoption & abortion are two totally separate things, espectially when considering human civil rights.
It is a woman's legal right to do what she wants to her body, that includes using birth control or terminating an early pregnancy. While abortion can be considered a medical procedure that should be contained in a mother's medical records, adoption is NOT a medical procedure and adoption has nothing to do with birth control. A woman's reproductive choices for any given pregnancy end when that pregnancy is concluded.
Once a child is born, he/she presumably has the same rights that all other humans have, and one of those rights is a right to his/her own identity. Although medical information is important to everyone, it is not the only part of a person's identity. No law gives women the right to control what rights a child may have for the rest of their adult life.
There is no law that gives parents who relinquish children for adoption additional permanent anonymity. Furthermore, not all children who are relinquished are ultimately adopted. Those who stay in foster care, and those who have disrupted adoptions have their original birth certificates, so it is NOT a matter of relinquishing that supposedly gives this additional anonymity that you believe some natural parents may possess. Are you aware that the overwhelming majority (99%) are delighted to reconnect with their adult children? Natural parents are not afraid, nor should they be, of their children. Whoever is using natural mothers as their rational for not restoring equal rights to birth certificates for adoptees is either mistaken or has a hidden agenda. Which do you think it is? And what could their motivation be?
To sum it up, abortion and adoption are two separate things covered by separate laws. Adoption is not a birth control method that should be covered under medical privacy laws. Once a person is born, they are their own person, worthy of the same equal rights that all other people have including the same rights to their identity.
Hope that helps clarify. Thanks for asking.
julie j
reunited adoptee
Edit to add to Heather's answer: Alaska, in addition to Kansas, has also always had unsealed birth certificates for adoptees and they also have always had a lower than national abortion rate, so that indicates there is not a connection between unsealing birth certificates and higher abortion rates.
Question: Is this more like you were looking for when it comes to adoption records? I was looking through the regulations in my area this morning and learned that under a new Act, passed in 2004, the following information is now disclosable:
- identifying information about adoptees and birth parents such as:
* names
* ages
* birth dates
* places of birth
This is in addition to information that was previously disclosable under the old laws which included:
* province of birth
* marital status
* occupation
* education level
* physical description
* personality and interests of the birth parents
* medical history of the family
Apparently, all of this information is releasable, under the 2004 law, unless a "disclosure veto" has been filed by one of the parties. This disclosure veto is essentially the birth parents or the adoptees way of saying that they do not wish their information to be disclosed.
Is this more like what people wish to see in the legislation and if not, what else would you like to see added?
Anastasia, I'm glad I finely found something adoption related that you agreed with. Makes me glad I don't believe in blocking people who's opinions I don't agree with.
Botz - these rules apply to all adoptions within the Province of Alberta. I didn't expect you to see any relevance to those of you in the US. That was not the point of my question. As to the rest of your, um, reply, I can only say that maybe one day your jurisdiction will have rules like this or hopefully better if that is what you want. I never said this was perfect.
Sly - the information, as I stated, is available to both the adoptee and the birth parents. In other words, the people it directly applies to which is in keeping with the rest of Canada's privacy laws.
If either either of the birth parents or the adoptee (when they are older naturally) requests anonymity then that is what they shall receive. The information on the individuals is releasable unless they specifically request that their personal information not be disclosed. That is also in keeping with our privacy laws with pertain to everyone, adopted or not.
Maybe - agreed, that's why there are the provisions to have the release of your information vetoed if you wish. I'm sure many here will not agree with that, depending upon which side of the "triad" you are on but again, it's not an adoption thing as much as it's in keeping with our privacy laws. If you don't want the info released, then you have that right just as any other citizen, adopted or not, has.
Gershom - I agree with you to a point. I, as a parent, have the right to tell my children what I want or to not tell them what I want. If I choose to not tell them that my grandfather died of complications from diabetes (hypothetical since I'm adopted as well) then that is my right. Is it prudent or wise to keep that family history and medical history from a child? I don't think so but it is my right.
Rights are a sticky thing. Do you trump someones right to privacy because of someone else's right to disclosure (if there is such a legal right. morally of course there is)? In many situations there needs to be compromise and while this is not perfect I think it's a great start.
Answer: http://www.mcss.gov.on.ca/mcss/english/p…
Ontario has a new disclosure program. I look forward to the day when all adoptees will have access to vital information.
Question: Does the mother of a new born baby have any obligation to disclose the birth of this child to a father who is? not aware of it? Is it legal for her to put it up for adoption without ever telling the father? If the father finds out later on that he has a child, does he have any rights to take the adopted child into his care?
I thought of this after watching the new Indiana Jones, where Jones didn't know he had a son until the kid was pretty much all grown up...
Answer: In about 40 US states, a mother of a new born infant has the unilateral right to drop the baby off at an authorised drop point (Usually a hospital, police or fire station), and thus, permanently void all her parental obligations to the child. One effect of this is that the father cannot find out about the child, since they don't take the women's names, so the baby cannot be tracked back to the bio parents.
It is, of course, sexist, for women to demand sole right to choose whether or not there will be a baby, and then, to demand NON biological and NON medical legal rights to dump their parental obligations, yet withhold such rights to men. But, since feminism IS sexism, thats par for the course.
Question: Can anyone help me find my biological parents? I was born Ian John Weaver on October 8, 1940 in Rose Park, South Australia
Adopted on October 8, 1941 by George Walsh & Anna Eliza Whitehead Walsh of 39 King St., Norwood. My adoptive parents did not disclose anything regarding my real parents and left nothing except the adoption paper which bears my name "Ian John Weaver". My adopted name is Ian George Walsh. I am really interested to know if I have siblings or other relatives. Thanks
Answer: Hi Ian,
I live in Australia too. Have you been watching the Channel 7 tv show, Find my Family?
From what I can see, they have very high success rate in tracking down family members. Even if family have passed away recently, you may have a brother, sister looking for you too - or maybe not even knowing about you.
Below I have included a link for their website. Keep in touch as I would really like to know how you go. You may also want to consider facebook. FaceBook gives you the ability to search for anyones surname and then ask questions about their family.
Do you know where the name Weaver originated from? If so, you might be able to look for immigration records for when the Weaver family first arrived in Australia - and that may lead to further family knowledge.
Maybe look at the Australian Immigration reocrds - I've included that link too.
I wish you the best of Luck Ian. Keep in touch.
Question: I have an adoption issue question.? A friend of mine left her daughter with a friend while she went out of town to work (8 years ago) and signed some paperwork for them to be able to take her to the dr. Unknowingly she signed over rights to her daughter giving her custody. This lady took off with her daughter and adopted her out to someone else. She will not disclose where or who. The police cannot do anything because they say she signed her rights over. She has not heard anything from her daughter since 1997. How can she find her? The legal process will not help her at all. She has tried.
She tried going and doing something all along, but has come to a dead end everytime. She tried hiring a privite investigator, but for some reason she cannot get the birth certificate and the privite investigator will not help without it. She was a young woman when she had this child. She didnt know what she was doing.
She doesnt want to disturb her childs life, just wants her to be ok.
Answer: wow I almost caught a tear while reading this. I just met my half-sister for the first time after decades of looking for her. My mother gave her up for adoption and the story was very simular. It was supposed to be open (where she could have contact with her) but when she was all drugged up at the hospital they had her sign the paperwork and they took her. She didn't even remember signing and she never saw her until now, 32 years later. I know what Iwould do, I would go beat there a$$, but that is not a smart decision or the right thing to do. I would go talk to a lawyer and get legal advice on what your options are. I found my sister by using zabasearch.com. I looked up the parents names (i had her adopted parents full names) and got a address. I wish you the best of luck.
Question: How much will their pet food bill be? 44-Pound Feline Prince Chunk Gets New Home In NJ
BLACKWOOD, N.J. - New Jersey's fat cat has a home. A family in southern New Jersey will get the 44-pound "Prince Chunk" next week, according to the Camden County Animal Shelter. The shelter won't disclose the family's identity.
About 500 people applied to adopt the 10-year-old cat found lumbering around Voorhees after his owner lost her home to foreclosure.
Catherine Harr, president of the animal shelter's board, said the cat's new family is a couple with a teenage child. She said they are building a castle to go over Prince Chunk's litter box.
The adoption comes after a vet gave the cat a clean bill of health — other than his large weight.
Harr said the couple was chosen because they have past experience with cats, and their finances are stable — unlike the cat's former owner.
Prince Chunk received national attention when he was found, including an appearance on "Live with Regis & Kelly." The attention was so intense that shelter officials last Sunday had to sneak the cat out of a foster home and move him to another foster family, Harr said.
Thousands of people from as far away as London and California called to inquire about adopting the cat, Harr said. Unfortunately, she said no one who contacted the shelter was interested in adopting any of the more than 200 other cats and kittens in the shelter's care.
The shelter had to euthanize about 1,000 unwanted cats last year, about a third of the cats it took in, she said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080808/ap_o…
Answer: I would guess it would cost about what it costs me to feed an 18-pound fat cat and an 11 pound skinny cat, so --
$65 veterinary prescription canned food per 1.5 months
$50 organic dry high protein cat food per same period of time (can help
cats lose weight to eat more protein).
$9 broiler chicken, human food supplement, every couple of days, to
appease the cats' desire to be spoiled despite being on a diet.
Question: Adoption application - too much info? I was looking at a rescue that I thought I was interested in adopting from until I saw the application. They required social security numbers and drivers license numbers from the adopter & co adopter!
I've worked in resuce for several years; we screen applicants by checking vet and personal references, and doing interviews and home visits. I have no problem disclosing personal information, but you've got to draw the line somewhere. There's no way I'm giving out the kind of info they are looking for!
The one exception that I can think of is the rescue that works specifically with Caucasian Ovtcharkas & Tibetan Mastiffs as extra screening for these breeds really is required.
Anyone else run into this or have any opinions? This is not a pit bull rescue if anyone is wondering.
My husband had a background check once and it came back saying he was convicted of drug dealing, assault, and did time. Wrong person! If someone didn't tell us we never would have known. Had the rescue received this we would have ended up on the 'do not adopt' list.
Also how is the info stored and who has access to it? Nope, still not comfortable with it. I'd be willing to do a background check myself and submit it minus SS# if that would make them happy.
Answer: They must be running a background check.. They would need your social security number and driver's license to run a background check for animal abuse...
I have seen it, and I agree that I feel awkward about it myself. But, at the same time, it prevents adopting out to someone with arrests for hoarding and abuse..
I wonder if there's anyway around actually writing it on the paper for anyone to see.. Perhaps they'd let you present that in person while they run the background check so you know who had your information?
I can see more and more places doing background checks in the future. It's cheap for a company to do a bunch of them if they sign up for a service and it makes sense to do them..
Question: What's the difference between Obama and John Kerry? Check this out.....
Obama considered joining military, regrets abortion answer (- AP story by Mike Allen, Step 07, 2008)
Barack Obama says his answer about abortion at the Saddleback Church forum was “probably” too flip.
During separate televised interviews last month, Pastor Rick Warren asked the two presidential candidates when a baby gets human rights. Obama replied that the question is “above my pay grade,” ( <----- KEY POINT)
while John McCain won love from the right by saying quickly, “At the moment of conception.”
Now, Obama tells ABC’s George Stephanopoulos in an interview taped for “This Week”: (KEY POINT ---->) “What I intended to say is that, as a Christian, I have a lot of humility about understanding when does the soul enter into … It's a pretty tough question. And so, all I meant to communicate was that I don't presume to be able to answer these kinds of theological questions.”
In the ABC interview, (KEY POINT ---->) Obama goes on to give the answer he wishes he’d given: “What I do know is that abortion is a moral issue, that it's one that families struggle with all the time. And that in wrestling with those issues, I don't think that the government criminalizing the choices that families make is the best answer for reducing abortions.
“I think the better answer — and this was reflected in the Democratic platform — is to figure out, how do we make sure the young mothers, or women who have a pregnancy that's unexpected or difficult, have the kind of support they need to make a whole range of choices, including adoption and keeping the child.
Obama disclosed that he had once considered serving in the military.
“You know, I actually did,” Obama said. “I had to sign up for Selective Service when I graduated from high school. And I was growing up in Hawaii. And I have friends whose parents were in the military. There are a lot of Army, military bases there.
“And I actually always thought of the military as an ennobling and, you know, honorable option. But keep in mind that I graduated in 1979. The Vietnam War had come to an end. We weren't engaged in an active military conflict at that point. And so, it's not an option that I ever decided to pursue.” (<---- KEY POINT)
Obama vows to double funding for charter schools (By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer, Tue, Step 09, 2008)
RIVERSIDE, Ohio - Barack Obama promised Tuesday to double funding for charter schools, pay teachers based on performance and replace those who aren't up to the job, embracing education proposals normally more popular with Republican candidates. (<--- KEY POINT)
Days after Republican candidate John McCain talked up the idea of school choice at the GOP convention, Obama proposed to give parents more options, too — but not with a federal voucher program to pay for private schools, something McCain has supported. Instead, Obama seeks to create an array of new public schools. (<---- KEY POINT)
The federal government spends about $200 million a year on charter schools, independently run institutions that receive public money. Obama's proposal would take that up to over $400 million. (<--- KEY POINT)
Obama recognized that charter schools have been a source of debate in Ohio. Past Republican administrations used charter schools and private school vouchers to offer families a way out of troubled public schools. But Democratic Gov. Ted Strickland has been trying to scale back voucher programs to focus taxpayer money on more traditional public schools. (<--- KEY POINT)
While teachers unions typically oppose the idea of performance-based merit pay, Obama is embracing the idea along with demands that teachers who don't meet standards are removed from the classroom. Obama's campaign said teacher performance could be judged by peer review, student test results, classroom evaluations or other processes.
"One of the things we'll have to do, and this is something that I know sometimes is difficult, is teachers who are doing a poor job, they've got to get extra support," Obama said. "But if they don't improve, then they have be replaced. Because as good teachers are the first to tell you, if we're going to attract the best teachers to the profession, we can't settle for schools filled with teachers that aren't up to the job. That is something that we have to embrace."
Obama also is proposing a new $500 million matching fund for technology in the classroom. (<--- KEY POINT)
Obama slips on TV: 'My Muslim faith', Presidential candidate drops line in interview discussing his belief (By Aaron Klein, September 07, 2008, WorldNetDaily)
Slip of the tongue or momentary confusion? In a television interview today discussing his religion, Sen. Barack Obama stated, "My Muslim faith." (<-- KEY POINT)
Obama, speaking to ABC's George Stephanopoulos on "This Week," was talking about what he described as "smears" that were claiming he was a Muslim when he maintains he is a practicing Chri
..... practicing Christian.
"Let's not play games," Obama stated. "What I was suggesting – you're absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith. And you're absolutely right that that has not come." Stephanopoulos immediately interrupted Obama, stating, "Christian faith."
Obama has long denied he was ever a Muslim. His campaign site states: "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim, was not raised as a Muslim, and is a committed Christian." But as WND reported, public records in Indonesia listed Obama as a Muslim during his early years, and a number of childhood friends claimed to the media Obama was once a mosque-attending Muslim. Obama's campaign several times has wavered in response to reporters queries regarding the senator's childhood faith. (<---KEY POINT)
Commenting on a recent Los Angeles Times report quoting a childhood friend stating Obama prayed in a mosque – something the presidential candidate said he never did –
– Obama's campaign released a statement explaining the senator "has never been a practicing Muslim."
Widely distributed reports have noted that in January 1968, Obama was registered as a Muslim at Jakarta's Roman Catholic Franciscus Assisi Primary School under the name Barry Soetoro. He was listed as an Indonesian citizen whose stepfather, listed on school documents as "L Soetoro Ma," worked for the topography department of the Indonesian Army.
Catholic schools in Indonesia routinely accept non-Catholic students but exempt them from studying religion. Obama's school documents, though, wrongly list him as being Indonesian. After attending the Assisi Primary School, Obama was enrolled – also as a Muslim, according to documents – in the Besuki Primary School, a public school in Jakarta.
The Loatze blog, run by an American expatriate in Southeast Asia who visited the Besuki school, noted: "All Indonesian students are required to study religion at school,
and a young 'Barry Soetoro,' being a Muslim, would have been required to study Islam daily in school. He would have been taught to read and write Arabic, to recite his prayers properly, to read and recite from the Quran and to study the laws of Islam."
Indeed, in Obama's autobiography, "Dreams From My Father," he acknowledged studying the Quran and describes the public school as "a Muslim school." "In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Quranic studies," wrote Obama. The Indonesian media have been flooded with accounts of Obama's childhood Islamic studies, some describing him as a religious Muslim. (<---- KEY POINT)
Speaking to the country's Kaltim Post, Tine Hahiyary, who was principal of Obama's school while he was enrolled there, said she recalls he studied the Quran in Arabic. "At that time, I was not Barry's teacher, but he is still in my memory" claimed Tine, who is 80 years old. The Kaltim Post said Obama's teacher, named Hendri, died.
"I remember that he studied 'mengaji (recitation of the Quran)," Tine said, according to an English translation by Loatze. Mengaji, or the act of reading the Quran with its correct Arabic punctuation, is usually taught to more religious pupils and is not known as a secular study. Also, Loatze documented the Indonesian daily Banjarmasin Post interviewed Rony Amir, an Obama classmate and Muslim, who described Obama as "previously quite religious in Islam." (<---- KEY POINT)
We previously often asked him to the prayer room close to the house. If he was wearing a sarong (waist fabric worn for religious or casual occasions) he looked funny," Amir said. The Los Angeles Times, which sent a reporter to Jakarta, quoted Zulfin Adi, who identified himself as among Obama's closest childhood friends, stating the presidential candidate prayed in a mosque, something Obama's campaign claimed he never did.
"We prayed, but not really seriously, just following actions done by older people in the mosque. But as kids, we loved to meet our friends and went to the mosque together and played," said Adi. (<---- KEY POINT)
Aside from a new website to fight purported smears, Obama's official campaign site has a page titled "Obama has never been a Muslim, and is a committed Christian." The page states, "Obama never prayed in a mosque. He has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ."But the campaign changed its tune when it issued a "practicing Muslim" clarification to the Los Angeles Times. (<---- KEY POINT)
An article in March by the Chicago Tribune apparently disputes Adi's statements to the L.A. paper. The Tribune caught up with Obama's declared childhood friend, who now describes himself as only knowing Obama for a few months in 1970...
when his family moved to the neighborhood. Adi said he was unsure about his recollections of Obama. But the Tribune found Obama did attend mosque. (<---- KEY POINT)
"Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia," states the Tribune article. It quotes the presidential candidate's former neighbors and third-grade teacher recalling Obama "occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers."
Daniel Pipes, director of the Middle East Forum, notes the Tribune article – cited by liberal blogs as refuting claims Obama is Muslim – actually implies Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim and twice confirms Obama attended mosque services. (<---- KEY POINT)
In a free-ranging interview with the New York Times, Obama described the Muslim call to prayer as "one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset." The Times' Nicholos Kristof wrote Obama recited, "with a first-class [Arabic] accent," the opening lines of the Muslim call to prayer.
The first few lines of the call to prayer state:
Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme!
Allah is Supreme! Allah is Supreme!
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that there is no god but Allah
I witness that Muhammad is his prophet ...
Some attention also has been paid to Obama's paternal side of the family, including his father and his brother, Roy. Writing in a chapter of his book describing his 1992 wedding, the presidential candidate stated: "The person who made me proudest of all was Roy. Actually, now we call him Abongo, his Luo name, for two years ago he decided to reassert his African heritage. He converted to Islam and has sworn off pork and tobacco and alcohol".
Still, Obama says he was raised by his Christian mother and repeatedly has labeled as "smears" several reports attempting to paint him as a Muslim. "Let's make clear what the facts are: I am a Christian. I have been sworn in with a Bible. I pledge allegiance [to the American flag] and lead the Pledge of Allegiance sometimes in the United States Senate when I'm presiding," he told the Times of London earlier this year.
My thoughts and question:
Upon studying human behavior and psychology, I've learned that people's first answer to a question (or “gut” answer) is what is really on their minds and in their hearts.
So, which is it Obama? Muslim or Christian? Or whatever it takes to get elected? Are all the people who knew Obama personally all liars or is there truth in what they say? I really don't care what Obama's religion is, but which is it?
Does Obama think we're all stupid? Because the US isn't at war that isn't any reason to serve honorable service in the armed forces? So, only in wartime, armed forces serve with honor and they rest of the time they don’t? Why must a person only serve in wartime, Obama???
So Obama trying to steal Republican talking points, eh? The teachers unions that support and endorse (money to) Obama are not going to be very happy with that. Many in the Democratic Party want to scale back charter schools. And many teachers unions support the idea of tenure and strong oppose firing teachers for any reason. Does he really support this? Or is it “just words, just speeches” as Obama once said himself.
Where is Obama going to get the proposed over $400 million and the new $500 million matching fund for technology to support this? Raise taxes perhaps? I don’t think people are just going to give this money away.
Sounds like he's a big flip flopper to me. But what do you think?
Answer: Not much different, they both lost their election.
Question: For First Mothers: Would this have effected your decision? This question is directed at First Mothers who "voluntarily relinquished" infants. (I put quotation marks because these are not the words many would use for the process.)
We see lots of questions on this board about breastfeeding adopted children. I want to know if it would have effected your decision if you knew that the Adoptive Mother planned to breastfeed your child.
Would you approve?
Would it effect your decision to relinquish?
For those who did pre-birth matches, would it have effected your choice of Adoptive Parents?
There are some people who are unaware that this is even possible. Do you feel that this is information that should required to be disclosed to Expectant Mothers who are considering adoption?
Answer: YUCK!!! I would not want my child to be breast fed by someone else. That to me is just gross and wrong! Why cant the person bottle feed formula?! These days the two are about the same. Breastmilk isnt always better for the child. YUCK!!! That just to me is wrong! I also feel that this should be discussed during the adoption and both families should have to agree about what to feed the baby!
Question: Does anyone know anything about finding a birth parent? My husband wants to find his birth mother but cant seem too. Does anyone have any ideas or no a good website or etc?? He has been told from his adopted parents that he was born in Nj, but was put into state custody in summit county ohio which thats where they adopted him from. He knows what they believe his birth mothers name was, and they said that they think she was 18 when she gave birth to him. His name has been changed, his adopted parents changed his name from Damien to David, and he has other information that he recieved from the adoption agency, but they could not disclose a last known addresse on his birth mother or any other information in that suck because it was a closed adoption! So does anyone no any way to help him find her?? A way that does not cost much if anything??
Answer: hmm...sunds hard to me. Does he know any other information about his family? Maybe he can ask a local office to give up some idea or maybe ask the police...sorry I don't know but goodluck.
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